UAW 686 Retiree Meeting

[liedto]

Went to tuesday's 9/1 retiree meeting in Lockport.  What a joke.  No answers to any questions about pension.  No updated communication from that jerk Kagels, the so called expert from Sold Out House, who had the meeting at N. C. C. C.  but couldn't answer a F**king question.  At today's meeting, The local Retiree President doesn't what PBGC is let alone say it.  This is our leadership? Our Delphi pension has been turned over to PBGC and no one has a clue on it's impact.  I have more seniority than the sliders, we check the box, yet we remain in this Delphi mess, with no answers from our failed leadership.  I'm now in the twilight Zone.  Jack, I think it's time to buy my ammo.  Thanks for letting me vent.

[Jack]

liedto,

Welcome to Our site.

You really did'nt expect to get any answers did You?

You know how they work. Same old bullcrap, Business as usual.

Were you at the one in June when I forewarned the members about the PBGC and Pensions and they tried to shut me up.

Then they actually booed Me.

Well guess who's getting booed now.

I was going to attend it but I knew that they don't have a clue.

All Kagel's and the Sold Out House are doing is trying to save face.

Their Meetings were nothing more than a traveling side show.

By the way did You stay long enough to play Bingo?

[liedto]

No one should get Booed, because they try to ask a question or provide information.  I did what you suggested at the meeting at N. C. C. C.  and got on the xxx: pbgc. gov web site.  At least their is some information and common questions and answers available at that site, concerning Delphi Pensions.  It was you, that recommended the PBGC site.  Our unglorious union couldn't even provide that information.  Talk about being utterly clueless.  I'm concerned with representives like Kagels, who by the way came from Lockport, you would think he would at least attempt to help and guide his former membership, with some answers, but I must be asking to much.  it's apparent he took care of his own ass and forgot where he came from.  Oh by the way, Bingo is before the meeting, I don't have time for that crap.  I go to meetings to gather information.  With all the uncertaines concerning our pension and benefits, the local leadership suggests we all come early to play Bingo.  Is this F**ked up or what? Thanks Jack!

[Jack]

Brother Liedto,

Like I said before in other posts I don't know it All or have All the Answers. But I've been researching this Since 2005. And Am very Active in Our plight.

WE need to get Our local Members more involved here!

Some might think that Our site is as useless as the U.A.W. Sites.

Get the word out as this is how We network and learn and find and Provide Each other with the type of info We already have on here.

If everyone just puts a little effort in We will know it All.

[Jack]

Brother Liedto,

    I can say this Honestly the Local Leadership in My Opinion is not being given any or very little info. Concerning Us.

The Blame Rests Squarely on The Sold Out House's Shoulders. But like I said earlier Us Retirees that I feel got dumped on need to band together and share what We know when We find it out on this Site. So spread the Word.
 

[liedto]

Jack,
I agree, but it's also the local union job to find out information and report to the membership. They should be calling Sold out house phone number and also demand answers, on our behalf. We must hold them accountable. When the retiree President of 686 can't even say the letters P B G C, that tells me, he doesn't have clue about it, hasn't even made an attempt to get off his Fat Ass to call anyone, the only phone call he can make is to the local pizza shop and order another large pie. He's a GM retiree and could care less about Delphi retirees.
You would think, with the importance of the Delphi pension situation that Sold out House could at least send a letter from President Middlefinger to the Delphi retirees and at least inform us about the current situation. A letter what would it cost?, .49 cent postage, maybe $1.00 with printing fees. They have hundreds of millions of dollars in the strike fund, which they will never use because they give up everything without a fight or strike, oops, I mean concessions or do I mean negotiations. Anyway I think you get my drift. We all paid our union dues for the last 30 or more years and continue to pay dues as a retiree, I was even bull shitted to give to V-CAP. All I want is to be treated with little respect and be informed. I understand the hard truth, I can deal with difficult situations, but don't treat me like an idiot. We deserve more than this No Answer, we don't know, circus. These clowns at Sold out house are embrassing, their embrassing the local union, but they don't care, they protected their own ass. I been LIED TO, and I don't like it. I'm mad as hell.

[Jack]

Liedto,

Now I have to Agree with You even more now! Here's the reason why!

I just received the Local Rag Paper. You know which one The Voice of Labor.

And after reading it I went to the credit union while I was there I ran into several Retired Brothers and Sisters. They asked Me what was up with the Letters they had received from the PBGC and I explained it to them. Then they asked me why there was no meeting or word from the local reps. So I told them that they said they did not have enough time to get the word out most found out from the Site and from other's of Us that networked the phones to get it out and in fact there was a meeting. Man were they pissed. Then it hit me I went to my truck and got the V.O.L out and turned to the Unit #1 President"s Report and right in there was the annoucement they had indeed received notice from Kagel's and that they were in the process of setting up the meeting. He also stated that we would be notified by newspapers and radio.

This is the same info that I got from Paul Entwistle 10 days before the meeting when I called Him to confirm it. We spoke at least two times by phone. I had known about the meeting 2 weeks prior to calling him but did not want to post it until I confirmed. Because I did not want to Panic everyone.

So what will the next V.O.L contain the results of the meeting that informed Us of nothing.

And Yes everyone should be pissed off at the way We are being kept informed from the top down.

This has been the tradition for many, many years from Our Leadership.

Your the type of people We need to get this Rally Organized. One person cannot fight the War We need Warriors and lots of them.

As the Salaried they are well organized here's a link to their site : http://www.gmret.org/index.htm.

They are in touch with the real world We seem to be living in LA LA LAND!

It makes Me wonder were Our member's heads have been since the Spin Off and Especially now.

Most seem to think that this is all good. Nothing more will happen to Us.

The D-3 have Shocked and Awed the Union's. Now it Seems they don't have a clue in which way to Proceed with this.

Were's Their High Profile Lawyer's that Our Due's have been paying for for many years?

Help US to Wake Up Our Member's Before it is to Late!


       I do not TRUST G.M. since they have Reneged on Their Promise's Since the SPIN OFF.

We Need to take Action Soon. I and a few other's are doing Our part. Why would You not want to help Youself knowing that this is a Very Serious Situation We are in. Our Future's are at Stake.

We already have Our Senator's and Some Congressmen in Our corner. They want to Hear from Us so they can Help with Our Concerns Believe Me. E-mail them They will reply to You. They are very worried for Us!

We need to be Worried Also !

I'll Post All their info Soon.

[Jack]

DO WE HAVE YOUR ATTENTION NOW?

YOUR BLOOD MAY COME TO A BOIL AFTER READING THE FOLLOWING E-MAIL THAT WAS FORWARDED TO ME THAT WAS SENT TO THE RETIREE'S THAT LIVE OUT OF STATE FROM THE INTERNATIONAL.

ARE YOU SITING DOWN?

I HOPE SO.

HERE IT COMES.









From: David Shoemaker
To: Lash, Linda
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Fwd: More Delphi and PBGC


fyi
 
David Shoemaker
Coordinator, Benefit Plans Section
UAW General Motors Department
313 926-5591


>>> Carolyn  09/01/09 2:44 PM >>>

Vice President Rapson sends the following additional information regarding those members whose assets were in the Dephi Pension Plan and are now at the PBGC.
 
The PBGC has told Fidelity to turn off their phones, and refer people to the PBGC.  Beginning today Sept 1, Fidelity will no longer be responsible for answering pension related calls (for Delphi only) and have placed a message on their phone system directing all pension inquires to the PBGC.  
 
This also impacts the website (netbenefits) that models a member's pension calculation.  Fidelity has put up a message that says the PBGC amount will likely be lower than what they see.
 
At this point, the PBGC has told UAW and Delphi that Fidelity will continue to issue pension checks without interruption for retirees currently in pay  until the PBGC completes its review of the plan's records.  They will also review any benefits commencing after September 1, 2009, and provide an estimated payment.    In other words, the member's pension will take a significant hit.   Our members  will continue to be paid by Fidelity until the PBGC becomes the paying agent.  
 
The PBGC is also telling UAW that anyone who wants to start their pension should contact the PBGC at least 4 months prior to their retirement date.  The PBGC phone number is:  800 400-7242.
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DID THIS GET YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE UP?

SEE RIGHT OUT THE HORSES MOUTH.

[retired35]

Jack,
I agree, but it's also the local union job to find out information and report to the membership.    They should be calling Sold out house phone number and also demand answers, on our behalf.    We must hold them accountable.    When the retiree President of 686 can't even say the letters P B G C, that tells me, he doesn't have clue about it, hasn't even made an attempt to get off his Fat Ass to call anyone, the only phone call he can make is to the local pizza shop and order another large pie.    He's a GM retiree and could care less about Delphi retirees.   
You would think, with the importance of the Delphi pension situation that Sold out House could at least send a letter from President Middlefinger to the Delphi retirees and at least inform us about the current situation.    A letter what would it cost?, .   49 cent postage, maybe $1.   00 with printing fees.    They have hundreds of millions of dollars in the strike fund, which they will never use because they give up everything without a fight or strike, oops, I mean concessions or do I mean negotiations.    Anyway I think you get my drift.    We all paid our union dues for the last 30 or more years and continue to pay dues as a retiree, I was even bull shitted to give to V-CAP.    All I want is to be treated with little respect and be informed.    I understand the hard truth, I can deal with difficult situations, but don't treat me like an idiot.    We deserve more than this No Answer, we don't know, circus.    These clowns at Sold out house are embrassing, their embrassing the local union, but they don't care, they protected their own ass.    I been LIED TO, and I don't like it.    I'm mad as hell.   

Just for the record the President of the Retirees for Amalgamated Local 686 is also a Delphi retiree.     What is troublesome is that he was a benefits rep.  before retiring and should know who to talk to in Detroit.   

[KJOC14120]

Just throwing this out there...
1.) Don't ya think that the "Retirees Group" is merely a social club. Who would have thought that all this pension crap would come rolling down the hill? That group is for getting together with your ol' pals from work, and having fun.  I too am disappointed that the 686 heirarchy didn't organize some sort of communication, but I can't blame any of it on Pilhorn.  I don't believe this is what he signed up for. Cut the guy some slack.
2.) As it stands right now we're (UAW & IEW-CWA) supposedly being "made whole" (getting the same money). What are we going to ask for in Washington?
A.) The taxpayers are propping up GM with shaky loans as it is.
B.) GM has agreed to "top up" what the Quasi-govt PBGC agency doesn't pay us.
C.) John Q. Public doesn't give a rat's ass about our predictament (evident in their choice of cars).
D.) What is the goal of the rally? Are we going to further erode the chances of GM success (our meal ticket) by holding them up to further ridicule? (On one hand -we'll easily be portrayed as greedy by folks who don't get nearly what we get. On the other hand - what choice would sympathizers have but to boycott GM?  How are either of those scenarios going to further our cause?)
E.) If we're rallying for those who are truly screwed over now (Salaried), that's one thing (a good thing).

Explain to me exactly what kind of guarantee you propose to get, and from who you want it to come from!

Just asking. I don't want to deep-six what we've got with a mob mentality that hasn't given me a solution that EVERYONE can live with. I think that your intentions are noble, but you're not the ones handing out the political donations that are truly going to call the shots.

[Jack]

1)First off let's get something straight here. You were at the NCCC Meeting did You come away from the Meeting More informed than when You went In?

1B) I and the other's are only Posting how they feel and How they Were kept up to date Don't You Read the Facts that are posted here.

2) Your a UAW Brother are You Not? We are Reaching Out To All the Union Brothers and Sisters. Did You not know if You read the Posts and Boards this Site Is Open to All Our Union Breathern. And I have offered to Salaried to be included. Ask them ! I go to their Site Also ! I have many Friends in Management. I have copies of the e-mails I have sent to them. We have IUE-CWA members on this site as I invited them because We are All the Same Also. No one is being made whole.  How is being turned over to the PBGC with a "PROMISE" to back fill Your Pension worth anything when GM "PROMISED" You they would take over Your Pension if Delphi shit the bed after they spun them off in " 1999 " Huh ?

2 A) Sure they are they even have get this Bingo before the meeting. WOW! The leaders of the Club are Retired Union Rep Ponies put out to Pasture.

2 B) GM " Promised "to top off the Pensions. Is this not the same "PROMISE" GM made when they spun Us off to take Your Pensions over no matter what?

2 C)  Joe Public they did work for GM or Delphi! Get it! They were not "PROMISED" !

2 D) To Prevent GM, Delphi, or any other Corpo's from using the BK Courts to Back Door out of their Agreements. ( "PROMISES" )

3) WE FULLY SUPPORT THE IUE-CWA AND SALARIED AS WE WORKED FOR THE SAME COMPANY.

4) As I stated no more running out the back door thru the BK Courts.

5) Your not deep Sixing Nothing. As I stated earlier Are You not a Delphi, UAW, Retiree? We know each other Don't We?

6) Are You not Retired from Delphi,and a UAW Member and have another GOOD PAYING JOB ? HUH? Tell the TRUTH NOW YOUR NABBED. 

It's time to come Clean don't You think?

7) Ill let the other's to decide were You are Coming From!



3) What would be Our goal? To get Legislation put in place so the corpos have to  Taxpayer's Payer's are flipping the bill is this not You and I or are You tax exempt.

Just throwing this out there...
1.) Don't ya think that the "Retirees Group" is merely a social club. Who would have thought that all this pension crap would come rolling down the hill? That group is for getting together with your ol' pals from work, and having fun.  I too am disappointed that the 686 heirarchy didn't organize some sort of communication, but I can't blame any of it on Pilhorn.  I don't believe this is what he signed up for. Cut the guy some slack.
2.) As it stands right now we're (UAW & IEW-CWA) supposedly being "made whole" (getting the same money). What are we going to ask for in Washington?
A.) The taxpayers are propping up GM with shaky loans as it is.
B.) GM has agreed to "top up" what the Quasi-govt PBGC agency doesn't pay us.
C.) John Q. Public doesn't give a rat's ass about our predictament (evident in their choice of cars).
D.) What is the goal of the rally? Are we going to further erode the chances of GM success (our meal ticket) by holding them up to further ridicule? (On one hand -we'll easily be portrayed as greedy by folks who don't get nearly what we get. On the other hand - what choice would sympathizers have but to boycott GM?  How are either of those scenarios going to further our cause?)
E.) If we're rallying for those who are truly screwed over now (Salaried), that's one thing (a good thing).

Explain to me exactly what kind of guarantee you propose to get, and from who you want it to come from!

Just asking. I don't want to deep-six what we've got with a mob mentality that hasn't given me a solution that EVERYONE can live with. I think that your intentions are noble, but you're not the ones handing out the political donations that are truly going to call the shots.

[Jack]

Here's the kind of UAW Member if He Really is I have my Doubts that Calls Out Another UAW Member striving to uphold GM and Delphi's "PROMISE's" to give You Your Pension and Healthcare as "PROMISED". This is not the first time KJOC14120  You have attacked Me. I save all my PM's and E-mails. I'll Post them.


Don't ever for a moment Question My Motives to Secure What Is Justly Our's.

We earned Our Pensions.

Where were You When the D-3 were crying broke?

I'll tell You where I was.

In Washington, D.C. on 12-08-08 Lobbying Congress to give the D-3 the Bridge Loans to Survive.

The Videos are on this site and the Worldwide Internet.

You were not there.

You did not show up for any Rally's that I know of. Am I a Liar?

Where are You coming from?

Why do You even come on here to spew Your Negative Garbage.

What have or are You doing to Help the Situation?

Here is Us brothers and Sisters that went to D.C. that We paid for out of pocket as a Grassroot Effort to Keep the Big 3 Breathing.


http://www.warriorsoflabor.com/index.php/topic,95.0.html#new

I don't see You!

[liedto]

I'm still searching for answers, for the last three days, I have had made phone calls to the UAW Region 9 headquarters. I have left messages to Scott Adams, the so-called assistist director at (716) 632-1540 to address my concerns and look for some answers to my questions about the Delphi Pension situation. I have receive NO call backs. In fact, the answers I get from his secretary, that he is unavailable, out of town, in the bathroom, in a meeting and who knows what the F**k else. I just love the respect and courtesy they give to a dues paying member. I encourge all to call the above number. We NEED answers. Jack, I understand the rally you would like to be held in Washington, D.C., and commend your efforts. I believe this rally and or picket should be held outside UAW Region 9 on Weherle Dr. in Amherst, in front of our so called union representives to get their attention. They are the ones who must be made accountable. This may sound extreme, but why can't we get some answers from the people who are supposing to be looking out for us. This is our union?, officials who ignore us, who play hide and seek and chuck and duck. I used to be a proud UAW member, now I'm embarrassed. It's hard to defend this organization when you been LIEDTO. Call (716) 632-1540 and demand answers. If we don't receive any, I believe, it's time to picket and set up the burning barrels outside Region 9 and make a statement and let's embarrassed them. How would that look at the 6:00 pm News. Hey, it's just my thoughts, you get that way when you have been LIEDTO.

[Jack]

Thank You. And I know exactly what Your saying. I'll send you a e-mail for the top dog in the bennies Dept. in Detroit. You should get it soon. Give them hell as like You I feel like we have been kicked out of the Club.

[liedto]

Thanks Jack, I believe this information should be made available to all members of the Warriors of Labor, to express their concerns with the Delphi Pension crisis.



DPShoe@uaw.net
David Shoemaker
Coordinator, Benefit Plans Section
UAW General Motors Department
313 926-5591

Here's his info. I know he keeps in touch with the out of state Retirees as they forward me e-mails from him and other's in Detroit. Also the Sold Out House must be getting worried about this site as they spent a lot of time scanning the Site today. Let Me know how You make out Post the results.
 
Jack